In this season of the podcast, we decided to address the topic of justice and how we might see more just societies. We’ve mentioned that we’d be inviting guests, and we had the greatest privilege enjoying conversation with Pastor Aubrey Barnwell, Senior Pastor at First New Life Missionary Baptist Church in South Phoenix. On the issue of justice, Christians have found themselves on opposite sides of the conversation, tensions rising about the varied involvement in social justice and whether we should be so involved. But with countless records of injustice all around us, how exactly do we overcome? Today, we get to share in the insight of someone who’s actually been there…and done that. We often lose the connection between spirituality and social justice, as if the body wasn’t also formed by the hands of God, who is spirit. Today, Pastor Barnwell reminds myself, John, and Vermon about how our spirituality extends through our humanity and into society, so that we might, if even a little bit, effect change to see God’s will done on earth, as it is in Heaven. Enjoy.